How a Weaving Teacher Built a Simple Online Business with Kits, Courses, and YouTube

Lyric Kinard (00:01.617) Hello, Lucy, it is so good to have you here. Why don't you introduce yourself to our listeners and tell us a little bit about your business. Lucy (00:12.844) Yes, well I'm Lucy Jennings and what I do is teach weaving and I also sell weaving kits. It's mostly geared for beginners because that's the easiest way to start economically for weavers is to start small. So that's basically what I do. Lyric Kinard (00:30.877) How long have you been a weaver? How did you get into this art form? Lucy (00:37.6) Well, I started in college. I actually was drawn to weaving. I'm not sure how, what it was. When I was still a senior in high school, I wanted to find a college that had weaving. I don't even know why. I had a sister-in-law who was a weaver when she was visiting. I was looking at her planning it and I thought, who would want to do that? But I've been a sewer all my life. And so I was drawn to weaving through fabric. A lot of people are drawn to it through the yarn, but my approach is fabric and sewing. So when I got to college, I started taking the courses and the teacher was really encouraging. She was also tough. if she encouraged me, I really wanted to stick with it. And one more reason is I come from a big family and no one else had done that yet. I was near the bottom. Yes, it could be me. Lyric Kinard (01:10.813) Mm-hmm. Lyric Kinard (01:32.305) So it was your thing. Lucy (01:37.038) So then ever since then I've been weaving. I was very lucky. My father was a woodworker and he built me a lot of the equipment that you'd need because it's an expensive thing when you really get into the weaving on floor looms and all the aspects. Yeah. yes. Lyric Kinard (01:37.501) Right? Lyric Kinard (01:52.766) Right. It takes up space. takes, it's a lot of time. Yeah, my mom was a weaver and a potter, but the loom, she had six kids and long before like kid number two or three was born, the loom was gone. And I think it took a little longer for the pottery wheel to go. She's, I love it that she's back into it again, you know, after a long career. And Lucy (02:09.806) You Lucy (02:18.37) Mm. Lyric Kinard (02:22.657) You had a job job in between, you know, college and what you're doing now. And tell me a little bit about how the business that about the seeds of the business that you're doing now, when did that start and and how did you structure it at the very beginning of offering these kits and teaching online? Lucy (02:26.774) Yes. Lucy (02:51.392) Well, actually, I've been trying to sell all just about from the very beginning. My mother too, was an artist. She was a portrait painter. And when I told her that when I was a young girl, I said, I want to be an artist. She said, well, you better learn to type. And so I decided, well, I don't want that. I'll be a teacher. So, you know, I can be around kids and. Lyric Kinard (02:57.661) Hmm. Lyric Kinard (03:06.545) Yeah. Lucy (03:14.062) do more than typing. So through all those years, I was a teacher and I also taught weaving like in the community college and I did a lot of craft fairs. I did that for years. then when my, and I was being a teacher and sewing a couple of times a year at the craft fairs and raising a daughter, that just took up all of my time. So yeah, even just one kid, we had a family of nine and Lyric Kinard (03:24.797) Mm-hmm. Lyric Kinard (03:36.912) It's a lot. Lyric Kinard (03:43.677) You said nope. One's enough for me. Lucy (03:45.733) I'm... Well, actually, I wouldn't mind more, but that's what I have. Anyway, when she graduated, then it was more of a... I could kind of take over the house more. And so, about 10 years ago... Well, actually, the real story of it started when I was still teaching, and I had taught the little tiny kids, and then I went into being the reading coach. And I decided what I wanted to do was maybe retire early and go into a business of teaching kids to read through art. And because so many kids that I would have would be kind of feel like they weren't smart enough because their brains work differently. So I wanted to help them that way. But at that time, it was getting very competitive with all of this online sales. This was 10 years ago. Lucy (04:41.302) And I had an accountability buddy that told me, you know, every time we talk, all you talk about is weaving. You get all excited about weaving. She said, maybe that's what you should be getting into. I thought, think she's being a good muse for me, and that's correct. So I hadn't done craft fairs in a long time because I just didn't want to do that putting up tents, taking down tents. And so then I just started to look into Lyric Kinard (05:02.735) It's exhausting. Lucy (05:08.904) selling, I think I started out with selling the looms and it just naturally to me would be teaching as well. And I was started my YouTube way back then too. So I've been on YouTube a long time but I still need to focus in better and improve what I'm doing there. So basically that's how it started. It kind of went together and I wanted, the very start I wanted to teach people to weave from the start and I was gonna take them all the way through the process if they wanted to go onto floor looms or whatever else they wanted to do. There's so many aspects. But I learned early on that I better focus on just one thing. Even though I love it all, I don't have to teach it all. So it's still hard for me sometimes. Yeah, it's still hard for me sometimes to do that because I want to teach them all about all the aspects of weaving. Lyric Kinard (05:51.805) to narrow it down and simplify it, Lucy (06:01.454) But what I teach online is basic weaving and it's usually will be considered maybe tapestry weaving on a small loom because that's what I sell. At first I had someone else making my looms for me and then the cost was going up so much that I invested in a laser cutting machine and that was a big investment. But it payed off. I'm glad I did. I could be more creative with my designs. I didn't have to... have a hundred made and see if it was what I really liked. So yeah. Lyric Kinard (06:33.499) Yeah, be your own supplier. And for those of you who are listening, when you go to her website, you will see that Lucy sells these beautiful, adorable, tiny little miniature looms. And it's a kit with everything you need. So it is in a floor loom. It isn't something that's going to take people hundreds of hours to finish, right? Let's talk. There's so much more, but let's talk. Lucy (06:46.094) Okay. Lucy (06:58.424) Right. You Lyric Kinard (07:03.367) for a minute about this simplifying and this niching down and how choosing one thing to teach is kind of important. One of the things that that does instead of throwing everything you know into one class or at all your students, it gives your students a really easy and quick win. And that is so important. Have you gotten feedback from your students and Lucy (07:06.968) Mm-hmm. Right. Lyric Kinard (07:32.025) what they love about what you're teaching. Lucy (07:34.826) Yes, and that's one thing I really enjoy is when they ask me questions and I can answer it. It's usually through messages. And yeah, they've often said that I really encourage them. And one of my slogans is slow down and make it with love. I just thought of that one day and they repeat that, that just to slow down and niching down is also slowing down to tell myself don't try to make every kind of loom, just make it simple. So yeah, that's why I... Lyric Kinard (07:42.141) Mm-hmm. Lucy (08:03.628) I really enjoy it when people ask me questions. It's probably the teacher in me. Lyric Kinard (08:08.03) All right, now you built courses to go along with this kit. You have a physical product that you're your own supplier for. You put it together and it goes out to people. And then you have a course that shows them how to use it. I mean, really smart meshing of retail plus a service, plus the online class. Most people when they build an online class, use a specific online class platform, but none of the online class platforms can sell physical goods proficiently, right? Some of them there's workarounds. what platform, so you started out with what platform for selling your weaving kits? Lucy (08:48.27) Right. Lucy (08:58.11) It was Shopify. Years ago I was on WordPress, but when I wanted to start selling the weaving kits, it made more sense going on to Shopify. But the problem with Shopify is doesn't have a very robust blog. You know, you can still do it. And so I just settled for that. I decided that's good enough. I don't have to be real fancy. And also with the courses, what I ran into is you could sell courses, but it was really expensive. It wasn't in my budget. But just lately... Thanks to you, I found out about Tevelo. And it is very affordable, and it is excellent. And all the reviews are great. So that saved me. What Tevelo is is that I used to have to have two sites, one for my courses and one for my products. And people often got confused. Lyric Kinard (09:36.762) What is Tevella and what does it do? Lyric Kinard (09:49.054) You Lucy (09:51.13) When they were logging in, they'd often get messages. If they can't log in, nothing will work. It's because they were using the wrong login. They were using the login for my Shopify site or the other. So what this has really simplified is that they can just get right in and there's everything for them. what Tevelo does is it turns a course into one of the products on Shopify. So when they purchase the course as a product, then they automatically, well, I I'm stepping ahead because some of my products include a course. It comes with a mini course. So what's really simplified it is when they buy that product, they automatically get the mini course. There's no extra effort I have to do. Lyric Kinard (10:28.604) Mm-hmm. Lyric Kinard (10:36.838) So it's a plugin for Shopify. So it's a software addition that's easy to add on that is developed specifically to work well with Shopify, where you can deliver an online course through Shopify. Shopify is one of the best platforms. Lucy (10:42.633) Right. Lucy (10:53.198) Mm-hmm. Lucy (10:56.856) Right. Lyric Kinard (11:01.02) there are four selling physical goods. It's inexpensive, it's easy to set up, it tracks inventory, it gathers all the information you need to know what weight and address for shipping. It's just, that's what it does. It lets people shop. But before this, it had been really difficult to deliver online courses. Lucy (11:17.122) Yeah. Lucy (11:24.448) Mm-hmm. Right. At an affordable price. They had them, you know, it real expensive and they often had things I didn't need. But even Tavelo has something I haven't used yet. They have memberships as well. So that's a good feature. It still isn't, doesn't have all the bells and whistles as some of the others, but I just decided that's fine with me. I like it simple. I just want to keep it simple. So what I mean by simple is they get the course, it's all outlined and they follow through with it. Lyric Kinard (11:36.158) Mmm. Lyric Kinard (11:47.877) Absolutely. Lucy (11:54.016) it's very easy to follow and that it just goes right along with if they bought the product and it goes along with it they just get them both at the same time and there's links that can link in between everything that I sell and it's inside the course and all the transfer over went extremely smoothly they're really great to work with. Lyric Kinard (12:16.454) Are your courses video or written? What is the structure of the course that you have that goes along with the weaving kit? Lucy (12:25.084) It's mostly video. Lyric Kinard (12:27.422) Okay, and does it, do you have to host the videos elsewhere or does the, or does Tevelo, Does it host the videos for you? Excellent. Lucy (12:36.974) Yeah. Yes, I upload. it was fun. Yeah. And the uploading was extremely simple and worked very smoothly. So, yeah. Lyric Kinard (12:50.438) is excellent to hear because that's kind of a thing that is difficult for those of us who have merchandise and want to do online courses. I still have Shopify with a link that is a subdomain of my online course website because, like I said, the online course website does not sell the things. I have very few items that I sell. Lucy (12:57.293) Mm-hmm. Lucy (13:14.798) Thank Lyric Kinard (13:19.568) So it's not a big deal for me. That's just a little side gig. But these two things can be income multipliers. If you have physical goods that people can order that go along with your course or a course that comes along with the way you're doing it. Right. And we were talking earlier and you said you live in a rural area. Lucy (13:29.496) Okay. Lucy (13:40.066) Mm-hmm. Lyric Kinard (13:49.234) Did that determine whether you could do live courses or on demand or have you just not been interested in doing live Zoom courses? Lucy (13:59.222) I just haven't done it yet because I'm just so afraid that something's going to go wrong. so I should rest to do it. But I I have I do teach in person, you know, like I'm going to in a couple of months at a a Weaver's Festival. But yeah, and it is it is really wonderful to be teaching with the people and see them face to face. It's just one of those things that I just think, I'll just. Lyric Kinard (14:03.903) Hahaha Lyric Kinard (14:12.255) Mm-hmm. Lyric Kinard (14:17.961) Fantastic. Lyric Kinard (14:25.31) It is. Lucy (14:28.974) you know, stick to on demand for right now. I think of having a weave along or something like that. That might be fun to try. So, yeah. Lyric Kinard (14:32.361) for right now. Lyric Kinard (14:37.213) Right. That does sound really, really fun. And it's often a challenge like that or a quilt on, weave along kind of thing really can help you find new audiences as well. So Lucy, you were one of the people that came through the Academy for Virtual Teachings signature course where we build online classes. And there I... ask people in the very first lesson, choose one, choose On Demand or Zoom, concentrate on that and work your way through. And by the time you work your way through with that, you already know about half of what you need to come on to the next vehicle to offer your courses, right? So what I heard you say about being afraid of things going wrong, this is such a common fear. for everybody who comes in, right? One way, no matter what it is, there's this like, my gosh, the tech is uncontrollable. The tech makes it difficult, it's gonna break, right? But in your experience, what happens when that happens? Lucy (15:55.783) people are very kind of course. It's fun to be with all you quilters because I still feel a kinship to quilting even though I don't quilt it's still sewing and quilters are kind too. It's something that I shouldn't be worrying about so much but that is true people are very patient and kind. Lyric Kinard (15:58.567) Right? Lyric Kinard (16:16.349) Right, they are. What kind of things were you worried about or afraid of as you started your business with the online courses before you came into the academy? Lucy (16:35.63) Mostly, I was thinking, just to be able to streamline it and not have so many things. In the past, there's so many things I've tried because the big gurus say to do it and it doesn't need to be so complicated. So that was it, just knowing how to hone it down what I really don't need. Someone big might not even doing crafts but doing courses might give me advice that I don't really need. So I was really attracted that it's creative people who are making things just like me, not selling something else that's not even something that you're teaching somebody. Does that make sense? Lyric Kinard (17:23.911) It does. The community that we have here are all creatives. We're artists, crafters of all different kinds. And the advice that you get elsewhere, if you're looking at YouTube tutorials and things like that, often, in fact, mostly don't apply to what we're doing. There's different kinds of gear you need to teach. Lucy (17:47.406) Right. Lyric Kinard (17:53.482) hands-on things. And again, The main goal of what we do is to pass on a skill, pass on that love for creativity. And we try at the Academy to make it as seamless and as easy as possible, right? Because our students don't need us to be having all the high-end gear and overproduced videos. They just need to know how to do the thing, right? Lucy (18:06.242) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Lucy (18:26.594) Right. Yeah, yeah. And that's it to not worry about it being so well produced. In fact, when I first started, the iPhones couldn't do it. I did start with a DSLR and it would only go for eight minutes. So, yeah. Lyric Kinard (18:39.454) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And it's a huge pain. need extra equipment to transfer the files and it's Isn't it miraculous that we have these tiny computers that are in our pockets that are Amazing. That's that's like all we need half the time for reaching The students that we want to reach with this amazing creativity that we get to pass on Lucy (18:48.714) Yeah. Yes. huh. Lucy (19:10.028) Yeah. And another thing was equipment. When I first started, I got these great big lights and because that's what was recommended. And since then, I had another ring light and that wore out. then I've got now I have this very compact ring light and I just decided, you know what? I I don't want to have all this equipment set up in my studio all the time. So now I've narrowed it down to a very small area that's always set up. So that was another time when I had to niche down and say, OK, what you're going to show is just going to be your hands. If I want to do my own self like right now, then that's not a problem either. But as far as what I'm doing, since I'm doing many, it's quite easy to keep it all in one place. But it's best if it's set up and ready to go, because that's the part that makes you put it off, if it's not set up. Lyric Kinard (20:04.535) you're preaching my sermon. Absolutely. The more the easier your equipment set up is, you don't have to drag anything out. It's not in the way, but it's always there and ready where you're working. It makes it so easy to just whatever you're doing, click record and build a library of content that you can dig through and use all different kinds of ways. It's it's such it's a much more efficient way to Lucy (20:28.59) Yeah. Lyric Kinard (20:32.649) produce your courses, to produce whatever content that you've got going on. What have been some of the difficulties and some of the joys of the business that you have created? Lucy (20:52.014) Um, difficulties is that I want to try everything. And, and especially, well, courses as well. I'm making a course right now that is starting to, I just keep saying, oh, I've got to add this to, I have to add this to it. And it's taking me so long to get it done, but I am very proud of it. But that's one of the difficulties is knowing when to say, okay, narrow this down. And, and also with my products to decide no. Lyric Kinard (20:57.663) Yeah Lucy (21:21.686) Like right now, I think I offer as much, pretty much as much as I want to. I've even made more, but the work of getting it all put up on your site and all the descriptions and especially if I'm going to introduce something new, people are going to want to know how to use it. You know, I think that's something us creative people kind of forget sometimes because I'll just go try something out. I I'll just go try it. But a lot of people, they need the nurturing to know that what they're doing. Lyric Kinard (21:48.159) Mm-hmm. Lucy (21:51.694) is the right path and it's going to lead them to success. So that's part of it. Lyric Kinard (21:55.744) I mean, that's what we do. Yeah, we're guides to all of our students who are on their own quest for success. And you don't want to put roadblocks in their way. You want to make it as easy as possible for them to achieve the outcome they want. And that's another thing that is just a truism, that instead of creating more courses, Lucy (22:12.686) Thank you. Lyric Kinard (22:24.202) creating more things to sell, just selling it more often. Selling the things you already have is the most efficient use of your time and the best way to increase your income as well. Lucy (22:29.058) Woof! Lucy (22:38.358) Yeah, I think that's one thing. I always want to go on to the next thing. I've heard you say that a lot too. to tell myself, I think this year it might have been the same model. My same word last year was catch up. Catch up. Just catch up with things. this year it's, you know, I've got so much I've already got going to get those situated down and onto my site with my new products. And then don't do anything new. Just hone in on what you have. And the one course I'm making now then. Lyric Kinard (22:42.784) Hahaha Lucy (23:08.544) I'm really planning to hone in a lot more on my YouTube because that is what brings me lot of revenue YouTube and Pinterest. So yeah. Lyric Kinard (23:16.0) Absolutely, right? Let's talk about that for a minute because you can create a hundred courses, but if you don't get them in front of people, it doesn't matter, right? And YouTube and Pinterest, you use them to bring in new customers to find the people who want what you have to offer and you don't have to pay for them. Lucy (23:26.904) Mm-hmm. Yeah. Lucy (23:41.294) Yes, a bonus. Lyric Kinard (23:44.286) Right? Tell us about how you make that work for you. How does YouTube and how do YouTube and Pinterest bring you bring people into your courses? Lucy (23:56.897) Well, when I sell, well now that my courses also are on Shopify, it's even better because when I sell something on Shopify, it tells me where they came from. And when I was on Instagram more, was hardly ever Instagram for all of my work, but Pinterest and YouTube are consistent. And so that's how I know where they're coming from. Lyric Kinard (24:20.096) so we could create YouTube content all day long. But how do you create content that brings people into your paid ecosystem? Like they'll watch YouTube. People can learn anything, find any information they want for free on on YouTube. Right. And so a lot of times course creators think, why would I put something out for free? But but. Lucy (24:25.421) Yes. Lucy (24:33.483) Yeah, what? Lucy (24:40.331) Right. Lucy (24:47.15) Mm-hmm. Lyric Kinard (24:49.894) It's the best advertising you can have if you work it to bring them to you. So how do they get from your YouTube channel to your shop or your courses? Lucy (25:03.854) Well, one thing is with the products, I find that when I make the product, like I said before, I want to show them how to use it. So a whole lot of it is referring them to YouTube on how I use it. And I found even little the little clip, it's of demonstrations on on my product page. I can just link to a little tiny YouTube video, which is great. And that one might not be get a lot of views on YouTube, but it helps me on my Shopify site. Lyric Kinard (25:14.784) Mm-hmm. Lyric Kinard (25:25.408) Mm-hmm. Lucy (25:31.833) But on YouTube, it's basically I'm showing them how to use the simple looms. And then that brings them over to my site to want to get it. And as far as my courses, what I like to do is take snippets of the courses or sections even and make them into shorts or even for longer videos. Some of I might take a lesson from my course and put it up on YouTube so they can get a feel of what it is. And one thing about YouTube that I just am starting to get I didn't get it before, but now I can put my products right underneath my right underneath my my video so they can go right to the product. So that is great. Lyric Kinard (26:12.308) You can put the link to your shop in the product description. And YouTube and Pinterest are both search engines. They are the places that people go and type in, how do I, so if your video and your title and your description answer the question that your specific people have, how do I learn to weave? Beginners weaving, whatever. They'll find your Lucy (26:22.027) Mm-hmm. Lucy (26:27.214) Mm-hmm. Lucy (26:35.96) Mm-hmm. Yeah. Lyric Kinard (26:42.09) content. And that is and it's also evergreen, right? Social media, fine, but one, you don't own it, two, it's ephemeral, it goes away, you're lucky if anybody in your audience actually sees your work, it always feels so random, and it can disappear at any time. But YouTube and Pinterest are completely different animals. Lucy (26:46.552) Mm-hmm. Lucy (27:07.02) Yeah, because people search for it like on Instagram, you might put something up and it might get shown and it might not. But with Pinterest and YouTube is if they're looking for it, they can find it. So it's also extremely helpful to be in a very small niche because I show up more. Lyric Kinard (27:22.77) Right? This is an interesting thing too. Going back to simplifying, know, instead of teaching everything you do, also find a very specific audience, like the academy. There are other people who teach people video tech and online software for teaching and stuff. But as far as I know, we're the only ones who target specifically Lucy (27:39.842) Mm-hmm. Lyric Kinard (27:52.193) creative makers, right? And niching down, you would think that you're limiting your audience, but actually you find the perfect audience, right? And you serve them better. And it actually helps you find the people that you need to serve when you narrow things down. If you try to speak to everybody, it's so broad that you really don't speak to anybody. Lucy (27:53.794) Yeah. Lucy (28:13.57) Mm-hmm. Lucy (28:17.582) Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wish you were around 10 years ago. Who knows where I'd be by now. Yeah, that's what I was doing too, right. Lyric Kinard (28:22.272) I was around 10 years ago doing this, doing my own thing and learning all the things the hard way. yeah, but sharing, sharing all these, all these lessons learned the hard way with my community and my colleagues, this has been phenomenal. Just the academy brings me so much joy to work with people like you who Lucy (28:39.822) Yeah. Lyric Kinard (28:51.698) are able to, not only do I love seeing your business succeed for you, but I'm an artist and I teach because I love seeing that spark in our students, right? That joy, that creativity. And when I teach you all to share that with more people, it's like an exponential explosion of the people that are reached. Lucy (29:05.902) Yeah. Lyric Kinard (29:21.352) with that spark. Lucy (29:22.412) Yeah, yeah, because then they go on and spread it further through their students. Yeah, yeah. Lyric Kinard (29:30.12) Right? It's phenomenal. I love it. What are some of the things that you love the most about having a business that is teaching online with the creative things that you do? Lucy (29:46.389) Well, when I was an elementary school teacher, that's what I dreamed of. I I enjoy teaching the kids and all, but to tell the truth, being a teacher in the administration and everything around it, that's the hard part. I just dreamed of a day when I could just teach. Well, I wanted to be an art teacher, but I also wanted to live in this little small town. So there was no art teacher for the little kids, and that's what I liked. So I just dreamed of someday, know, retiring early and being able to just teach people about art. My first idea for my website was going to be for mothers and daughters and grandmothers and granddaughters to learn like the needle arts and all. But then I niched down to just the weaving and for anybody, because I found a lot of my customers were just anybody who wanted to learn. Lyric Kinard (30:41.501) What are some of the benefits of having an online teaching business? What has it opened up for you in your life? Lucy (30:45.259) Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's made it so I can make my own decisions and I want to keep it all just my own self. I know other people, it's good advice for them to branch out and have people who work for them and help them get things done so they can go farther. But I've just been thinking lately, you know, I just want to be somebody like that little tiny shop on the corner that's just happy to have their little shop. And that's what I want to be now after my whole life of teaching and everything. just me and keeping it very simple. So that's why I've decided, yes, to embrace that. That's what I enjoy. It's not something that's wrong with me. It's what I enjoy, keeping it simple and keeping it all in one, just one place. And I can decide, I can decide if I want to take a nap, we're not. Lyric Kinard (31:30.657) Absolutely. Lyric Kinard (31:34.37) Isn't it lovely? And we all, every, the way people build their online teaching businesses and the way we run them, there's no wrong way or right way. There's as many different ways to run it and manage it as there are people and as there are artists and they're all correct. And being your own boss and being able to decide to take a nap or, you know, in my case, Lucy (31:55.726) Thank you. Lucy (32:01.933) Yes. Lyric Kinard (32:04.309) teaching online and so I was traveling all over the world doing this, which I still love. I still travel occasionally to teach, but it's exhausting. And, you know, we had a family tragedy where our life kind of just came to a screeching halt and my business didn't die. I didn't have to cancel contracts. I was able to continue. Lucy (32:14.893) Uh-huh. Lucy (32:23.299) Mm-hmm. Lyric Kinard (32:32.501) what I needed to with my online teaching business and put on hold absolutely everything else. That's the freedom and the advantage and the space that being an entrepreneur of this kind can give you. Lucy (32:51.434) Yes, and exactly, because my years of teaching, had to, when I would do a show that was far away, I'd have to think, or any show, I'd have to think about my teaching schedule. And everything had to pretty much happen in the summer. So, and if something happened to me, like with you, that would have been, you know, I probably would have to, I don't know what would have happened, but it would. Lyric Kinard (33:15.029) Yeah, you can't do it. Lucy (33:17.486) for you, your whole business could keep going, it was something that could be flexible. Lyric Kinard (33:20.865) Mm-hmm, right. And my parents, I come from a family of educators, right? Also a large family, I'm the oldest. And it meant that I saw what my parents did, which they're phenomenal teachers. They enjoy doing what they do, but also, like you said, all the administration and all of the other stuff around it is very limiting. Lyric Kinard (33:51.328) And here I ended up being a teacher, but I honestly think, you know, and most of my siblings are also educators of some sort. I think I have it the best. I totally think, you know. Lucy (34:03.982) Yes, I think so too. Yeah, a whole bunch of us became teachers too, even though my father told us not to. But yeah, you can have so much more flexibility. Lyric Kinard (34:14.473) Yeah, yeah, we get to do it the best way with people who are excited to come to us and we're teaching something that is fun. You know, how cool is that? Well, Lucy, it has been such a delight to have you here. One of the things that I love to ask my guests as kind of a surprise at the end is tell me and you can answer absolutely anything you want. What is the last thing you made? Lucy (34:24.002) Yeah. Lucy (34:44.588) Well, I will tell you the truth lyric. I love your podcast. I listen to every episode and I knew you're going to ask me this. And my problem is, what did I finish? I have lots of things I'm doing, but. Lyric Kinard (34:51.081) You Lyric Kinard (34:59.433) Notice I didn't say, what did you finish? Lucy (35:01.822) well, actually on the loom behind me, it's I've got a warp with white yarn on it. And I just finished weaving some white fabric to cover up a tapestry I did about 40 years ago. I made this great big three foot by eight foot tapestry and I did it with fabric strips. Lyric Kinard (35:23.489) Mm-hmm. Lucy (35:23.636) And a lot of them have faded. And so it was getting to look ugly. And I just thought, I do not like this. And I told my daughter, I don't anybody think I like this. And I said, I'm going to cover it up. She said, well, I like it. So I thought, OK, I'll cover it up and you can take the cover off when I'm not here. So what's it like painters? My mother would paint over a painting. Lyric Kinard (35:25.889) Hmm. Lyric Kinard (35:40.147) Okay, or you could just take it down. Or you could just take it down and put something else up that's covering it up. I don't understand. Lucy (35:48.303) Oh, no, it's a great big frame. It's sentimental because the frame my father made for me. And so, and if my daughter thinks she likes that tapestry, I've so I covered it up and put the frame back on. I've got it covered with the white fabric, hand woven fabric. And then my plan is, um, I want to do lots more little tiny tapestry and learn to felt, um, do needle felting. So I'm going to do a little four by four. Lyric Kinard (35:52.797) Mmm. lovely. Lyric Kinard (36:12.193) Mm-hmm. Lucy (36:17.87) tapestries and little pictures and it's going to actually look like a quilt. It's probably going to take me three years. Lyric Kinard (36:25.629) So cool, so cool. It's one of my favorite hacks for making a bed work is to make a lot of little small things that you can get done easily and quickly. Yeah, and put them all together and then it looks like you made something really big. I love it. Well, Lucy, thank you so much for taking time out of your day to talk with our audience, to share what you've learned. Lucy (36:36.944) Uh-huh, yeah, I thought that would be good for me. Yeah. Lucy (36:43.342) you Lyric Kinard (36:55.259) and how you work your business. Lucy (36:58.464) And thank you. I'm so honored to be here and I'm so glad that I found you. I've learned so much and enjoyed being in the Academy. Lyric Kinard (37:07.517) every, you know, it's an amazing community. The people there are phenomenal. It takes all of us there to create that atmosphere of support and encouragement and safety. So thank you for being a part of it. You make it happen just as much as I do. Lucy (37:26.67) Well, thank you, Lyric. Lyric Kinard (37:29.919) You're welcome. Lucy, what is your website? Where can people find you? Lucy (37:34.442) It's the creativity patch and on YouTube I'm the creativity patch and on Pinterest I'm the creativity patch. Lyric Kinard (37:43.403) Perfect. We'll have links to Tevelo and Shopify and the Creativity Patch in the show notes. until we see you in the Academy again, Lucy, thank you. Take care. Lucy (37:50.584) Great. Lucy (37:58.188) Yes, thank you Lyric. Bye.